OK, I call BS. There's no way Mr. Bill could have nailed ~16,300, even on the uber-light "flying penguin" (aka "Rocket Penguin") version. I'll believe it when I see a screenshot and the URL for the SWF file. Mike/ --------------------------------------------- http://www.valuenet.net - To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo@luci.org with "unsubscribe luci-discuss" in the body.